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Darth Gustav
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Posted - 2012.10.03 19:18:00 -
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D'Om K'vash wrote:I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke. During the elections I was VERY vocal on the forums about this.
High-sec needs to pick a candidate and unite behind him or her. Instead, you guys are so disorganized you split your votes between a dozen candidates. Certain high-sec players even expressed on the forums that they would not support a unified candidate. That's problematic, to say the very least, considering your adversaries in these elections are better organized than most high-sec players could imagine.
So my advice is to establish a high-sec candidate by whatever means necessary and try to get your fellow...erm...players to do likewise. Otherwise, no, there will never be a high-sec CSM representative due to vote-splitting.
My 2 ISK. [EDIT] Oh damn. I totally forgot about Issler. Where is she anyway?
LOL [/EDIT] He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Darth Gustav
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Posted - 2012.10.03 19:33:00 -
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James 315 wrote:I too would like an answer to this question.  James 315 for CSM!
Said it before, will say it again. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Darth Gustav
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:28:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:James 315 wrote:I too would like an answer to this question.  Someone who griefs in high sec is hardly a representative of high sec. That is the equivalent of suggesting some goon who spams Jita local all day and scams noobs is a high sec member. Your stated purpose is to wipe out high sec. I have lost count of the manifestos you have posted regarding your griefing of miners. Nonetheless, I expect, you will get a ton of votes if you ran, based on every goon being TOLD to vote for you with their alts. It was my understanding that James 315 ran a largely non-violent campaign of miner bumping.
How will this wipe out high-sec?
Morale there must be really, really low... He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Darth Gustav
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:34:00 -
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D'Om K'vash wrote:people say it's high sec peoples fault for not voting but that is an uneducated statement and naive, in that the alliance blocks have multiple accounts, that they afford by being some of the older players with most isk. they use these multiple accounts and isk they have in game to rig elections. There is a reason there is an alliance called "your vote doesn't count" I'm all for goons high sec ganking characters having a say in the discussion but my point is that there is no discussion right now. It's goons and their alts and allies yelling over the top of everyone else. "NO this is the way it has to be!"
And the one mechinism for players to be heard directly by ccp (CSM) is all null sec alliance members and one wh member.. which I'm sure does not represent the overall player base. I don't know the numbers but i highly doube 90% of people live in null sec.
I propose that ccp make it so that there are allotted positions for the various things in eve. Null, fw, high sec, pirating, ect ect.. and ccp should monitor who is linked to theses accounts so that goons cant just take one of their members other accounts and have it falsely represent a portion of the game they don't care about.
Also to say that null people have more invested in game is a bad argument. Why should my subscription be worth any less.. I have to actually pay for mine because i'm not in a null sec allinace with hundreds of trillions of iks so taht i can just buy plex with my account. New players and high sec care bears that enjoy that part of the game should receive a voice.
So you want a CSM for every profession then? What's wrong with just organizing high-sec voters to vote?
Why on earth does CCP have to do everything "for the sake of high-sec?"
Goons have managed to get their guys in every time.
So high-sec players aren't as good at organizing as Goons are. Why is that CCP's problem again? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Darth Gustav
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:49:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And frankly, all the null sec zealots are correct on this one. The high sec group, while being the largest demographic by an enormous margin, is not organized at all.
And given that such a small percentage of high sec even bothers to read the forums it is pretty much pointless,especially given the dictatorships that make up the goons, test, PL, -A-, etc have the ability to marshall their voters so, so much easier than high sec.
Further, it is abundantly clear through CCP's actions (destruction of meta 0 items in missions, destruction of incursions, destruction of datacore farming, gloating about burn Jita and Hulkageddon and using them as marketing tools, now the destruction of drones in high sec missioning) that CCP has a significant element within that sympathize with the null sec zealots.
Within 4 more more releases (2 years), high sec will not exist if the zealots have their way, inside and outside of CCP. The only thing that will stop them is the subscription numbers. If the subs drop too much, then the null sec zealots might be forced to stop their unrelenting attack on high sec. Otherwise, the game in high sec will be unrecognizable within 2 years.
I now await the cheering from the null sec propaganda team stating "it can't happen fast enough".
The bottom line is that the null sec zealots can't conquer high sec under the current game mechanics, hence their pathological need to wipe out the current mechanics and replace them with mechanics that they want, ones that allow them to subjugate EVERY Eve player. Please explain how "null zealots" lobbied for the aggression mechanics change, or how they supported the Exhumer buff, or the CONCORD buff, or the gank insurance nerf, or the other CONCORD buff...I could go on.
No, I think if anything CCP is sending mixed signals about what they want for Eve in general, and for high-sec in particular. The day after the new Exhumers were released we got that gem from Sreegs about CCP not wanting drone boats running Eve content AFK all day. Oh really? There's a mixed signal here, somehwere. Because the ice fields are full of exactly that.  He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Darth Gustav
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:54:00 -
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What is it with high-sec and hand-holding?
You pick your representative, you elect them, you hope they do well.
If you organize, you can check their credentials yourselves.
What about Chribba? Don't pubbies worship that guy?
I just don't understand what's with all the willful requests for hand-holding in Eve Online.
It has no place here. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Darth Gustav
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Posted - 2012.10.03 21:39:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:D'Om K'vash wrote: high sec players are new and in small corps so of course we arn't going to be as organized as a 5 year character living in couple thousand player alliance. There's a vast number of old guard players who've been living in highsec mining and missioning and trading away for years and years. The problem with highsec is that the players who live there are so thoroughly mollycoddled by CONCORD and the comforts of Empire that it encourages an insular and narrow playstyle which doesn't translate well to the requirements of CSM campaigning or the responsibilities of office. That's why we tend to find that the most effective CSMs come from 0.0, whereas highsec CSMs are mostly ineffective and anonymous grey suits, nakedly self-serving, and/or batshit insane. If you want highsec CSMs, change highsec. Oh, and your dear leader is the shining example of a someone who is NOT self-serving? Oh, and let's not forget that little thing where he was booted in disgrace from the current CSM for displaying some sociopathic tendencies. Gotta love goons. Facts and reality and zero bearing when you have a good story. Regarding the self-serving part: What was good for Mittens was good for every player of Eve.
Whether you like that or not; whether you believe that or not, it's true. Eve is better off for The Mittani having served as CSM Chair. Period. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Darth Gustav
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Posted - 2012.10.04 21:03:00 -
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It looks to me like your constituency is in need, though I can't imagine of what.  He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Darth Gustav
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Posted - 2012.10.05 01:08:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:this is true, INK rents a wicked creek constellation from issler, she makes us pay her in raw jaspet which she then processes with her lvl 5 jaspet refining skills Why am I reminded of the Countess from Diablo II?
Can anybody explain that? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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